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« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2007, 03:08:15 PM »

A remake would be heavenly, but as it stands, we'd be lucky just to get ahold of a legitimate, fully working/translated version... I'm afraid Miyamoto-sama really never wanted this game released at all, honestly...
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« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2007, 10:58:19 AM »

I would be firmly behind a petition to get Star Fox 2 public. I have an RP site I could rally, and I could also help Winters with GameFAQS. Have you got any kind actual petition thing done yet?
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« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2007, 03:28:20 AM »

Sign me up!

i am definitely going to do this, Im just not to sure how to..
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« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2007, 05:16:28 AM »

I have one question: Given that elements of the plot aren't likely to go well with current continuity, will the game (if released) be declared non-canon or something?
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« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2007, 06:57:54 PM »

I still don't understand why any section of any game has anything to do with any other section ever.  I donno where they can't just have seperate stories... like they are in a different universe with the same characters.

Kinda like those old cartoons where one episode has nothing to do with the one that happened last week.  The characters have no memory of anything that happened, they just have like... an new adventure to tell.  Why can't games be like *that*.  I donno why anyone is really concerned with what happens, especially considering the game origin, which had almost no back story unless you read the one page explanation in the instruction manual.
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« Reply #35 on: June 28, 2007, 03:53:42 PM »

Non-canon just doesn't fit to StarFox games I think...
It would be better if they would do the same with story like in zelda games, every adventure is canon but there are hundred years between 
them. (yea, it's not every time the same Link it's always his descendant)
So every game is something new.

And why should SF2 be non-canon?
It's only another try of Andross to take over the Lylat system.
Maybe Miyu and Fay are only there one time and then they go back to the Cornerian Army or something....


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« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2007, 06:39:48 PM »

Non-canon just doesn't fit to StarFox games I think...
It would be better if they would do the same with story like in zelda games, every adventure is canon but there are hundred years between 
them. (yea, it's not every time the same Link it's always his descendant)
So every game is something new.

And why should SF2 be non-canon?
It's only another try of Andross to take over the Lylat system.
Maybe Miyu and Fay are only there one time and then they go back to the Cornerian Army or something....




I was just saying, well, it IS the direct sequel to a game that is currently considered non-canon. But you have a point. As usual.
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« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2007, 10:25:44 AM »

My friends I make you a promise.

Today I stand here with this college application in my hand, and a deam. A dream that after four years of intensive study I will have the skills and degree to go to Japan and work for Nintendo. And if they won't hire me as a game designer then I will make my own game, and I will bring back Miyu, Fay, and return the glory that was once Star Fox.

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« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2007, 01:17:45 AM »

Woah, really? Ahhh, it's really good to see some life come back into this thread. It seemed like a really great idea, but I suppose Arwing Ace abandoned it, or forgot about it, or something... Now, someone track that guy down so we can get a move on with this petition....

Actually, forget that. I think it's obvious that he's abandoned and/or forgotten about the plan. What we need now is someone with an eloquent and convincing writing style who could draft a petition for us.
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« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2007, 10:23:13 AM »

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« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2008, 02:17:12 PM »

Woah, really? Ahhh, it's really good to see some life come back into this thread. It seemed like a really great idea, but I suppose Arwing Ace abandoned it, or forgot about it, or something... Now, someone track that guy down so we can get a move on with this petition....

Actually, forget that. I think it's obvious that he's abandoned and/or forgotten about the plan. What we need now is someone with an eloquent and convincing writing style who could draft a petition for us.

Hate to bump, but I think we need to get this petition moving again, if not under Arwing Ace, then how about Arwing Ace 813? My grammer and etique isn't perfect, but my father has a doctrine from the University of Virginia and could possibly help us, but first I need to see people who are interested in restarting this, we need multiple sites, people, and possibly some money as arwing ace previously stated months earlier. Don't give up hope guys, we can still make this work!
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« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2008, 01:59:46 AM »

Coach, I've just got the proper grammar on my side, not the aid of eloquent writing styles. My writing is short and choppy, and I rely far too heavily on the reader's general knowledge, which often times isn't quite so general.

I suppose I could dabble in it in my spare time though.
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« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2008, 06:22:12 AM »

Well we need to make some-what of a board, like, 4-5 of us that knows how to write. We'll all decide and figure out a rough draft, if not I have an alternate plan. My Dad has political experience and has written many petitions, he could give me a little help. I'm pretty good at writing convincing, but i've never written a petition in my life. As I said, we need to get all of arwing landing on our side, then our campaign will spread to other sites untill eventually we have a very good case on our hands. Cobalt, since you're a Mod would you mind if re-started this thread in the Docking Bay? Not too many people come here anymore, but everyone goes to the docking bay.
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« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2008, 06:34:52 AM »

I checked Deviant art mentioned monthos earlier, it looks as if there's a few people who's showing some interest. But we need to get some AL fans that have accounts on these, Game-FAQS, the nintendo forums itself, and a few other forum sites. This can work Cobalt, i'm not abandoning it. So far it's only you and I that are showing some interest, take my advice and let me re-post this thing in the docking bay. I'll copy and paste the big speech and give full credit to the original arwing ace.
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« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2008, 03:58:40 PM »

Sure thing, I'll move this thread to the Docking Bay.


Also, I can do proofreading things. Proofreading is one of my fortes, so that would be a good place for my skills, if you can write convincingly.
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« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2008, 04:30:15 PM »

You have my deep trust and gratitude freind. I appreciate you helping me out with this. But anyways on to business, STARFOX FANS we do not have to act quickly but we must act! Once we find some people who are interested and may help us we'll move on to different Starfox forums (idk all of them) once we get all the STRICTLY STARFOX FORUMS we'll spread to deviant art, game faq's and any other forum we can find. But first I need to know whether or not I should write this bad boy, or wait and see if we can get alot of people who will sign this. Once again, Cobalt you have my deep gratitude and trust.


Also, any and all who feel the need to e-mail me about this, please do so. I want to know what your thinking on this. Have a writing skill? Tell us about it! We'll accept any and all help.
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« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2008, 12:12:19 AM »

No problem, dude.

But yeah, seriously, if anyone at all is interested in this, by ALL means drop either of us a PM or e-mail.
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« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2008, 06:07:25 PM »

     It's official!! The Petition idea has been spread to SF-O here's the link if you wish to see for yourself: http://forums.starfox-online.net/index.php?topic=2920.0

Also Forum Planet: http://forumplanet.gamespy.com/general_discussion/b48513/19665096/r19665104/

     I'm currently working on spreading this idea to different forums, i'll post and update as it comes. Don't forget to drop me or Cobalt a E-mail or PM. We need more commitment  from Arwing Landing people!
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« Reply #48 on: January 23, 2008, 02:15:14 AM »

Hey I'll sign it, the more Star Fox stuff out there the better.
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« Reply #49 on: January 23, 2008, 03:42:27 PM »

Verry true! We're glad you're with us. Every day i'm getting increasingly more responses from the people at Starfox Online. We need a hell of alot more commitment if we expect to get something done here.
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« Reply #50 on: January 25, 2008, 02:14:31 PM »

I'm a member of http://okamiworld.com/ witch is starting to get a lot of people joining do you want me to start a topic about it all.    If that helps in anyway.....
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« Reply #51 on: January 27, 2008, 01:55:16 PM »

     Sure, be sure to give credit to myself, Cobalt, and the original Arwing Ace.
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« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2008, 06:51:56 PM »

I would sign it if it were made.
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« Reply #53 on: January 30, 2008, 04:54:05 AM »

    It will be, I'm waiting approval from the Krystal Lovers forum so I can post on there. But anyways, thanks Link. We appreciate your support.
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« Reply #54 on: February 21, 2008, 11:07:58 PM »

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« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2008, 04:22:21 AM »

I was consumed... My ambitions faded into apathy... I figured it was just impossible...

I lightly combed through the forum's old locked-out threads to see when exactly this one died out like all of the others. When it wasn't there, I couldn't help smile at the irony that it was probably deleted to spare Arwing Landing's pilot morale. I ventured into my old favorite forum, the Docking Bay, finally willing to see by what degree I would be accepted back...

Imagine my surprise.

After an entire year... another user even going so far as to carry on my name in my absence? His zeal resonated into the deepest chasms of my mind... It was in this moment when a faint memory sounded the echo of a fundamental, obvious truth: If something can be dreamed - It can be done.


I drafted a petition.

Email: Voyager2001@cox.net


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Arwing Ace _813 eh? It looks like we're going to be fast friends...

IMPORTANT:
1) The single most important thing for us to do now is to start assembling raw information into a data pool.
2) We need an online database to post all relevant information and data in one place.
3) We will need people familiar in computer science / programming [see "There and Back Again" below]
4) The petition draft is crude and incomplete; it will likely undergo numerous revisions.


This is the table of contents as it stands right now:

CONTENTS

Abstract   [IN PROGRESS]
[A concise summary of our purpose, what we have accomplished and reasons why]

Introduction   Draft 2008.02.22
[To attract attention]
[To explain our disposition]

The Culture of Star Fox   Draft 2008.02.23
[How the series is valued]
[Its impact on culture]

From Fantasy to Reality   Draft 2008.02.23
[How Star Fox and similar works inspire the sharing of ideas and dreams]

A Letter to Nintendo [PENDING]
[A corporate letter, addressed to the appropriate people, explaining ourselves]

There and Back Again [PENDING]
[Our own ideas of how to Resurrect Star Fox 2]
[This will require technical expertise - WE WANT YOU!!!]

The Nation of Corneria [PENDING]
[Concept: An assembly of personal letters to Nintendo]
[Everybody would write one letter...]

Petition [PENDING]
[UNKNOWN]
[Actual grunt work - assembly of fan base]
[Need to learn proper formalities]

Complete Reference [PENDING]
[A comprehensive assembly of ALL other related items to this petition]
[Websites, fan-sites, t-shirts, whatever]

Acknowledgements [PENDING]
[End Credits]
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« Reply #56 on: February 22, 2008, 04:46:44 AM »

     Nice my freind. Don't you think you should have posted the rough draft here so we could have helped you tweak it a bit? And no problem for re-animating this thread, me and Cobalt worked pretty hard getting this petition back. I also got quite a few signatures as well.

    And on behalf of myself(and maybe even Cobalt) I'm glad to have you back man.
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« Reply #57 on: February 22, 2008, 02:08:39 PM »

Ok - I guess I'll just post the drafted parts inside the thread.

Feedback is not only welcome, but very crucial. My goal is to compose a concise set of parts that, when put togeather, summarize what we want and our message to Nintendo.

Until we get some type of online database we can acccess, send all feedback to my Email: Voyager2001@cox.net (or just post in this thread)

Also: Check out the proposed table of contents a few posts ago - write drafts! write a personal letter to Nintendo! (as mentioned) WE WANT YOU!!!

All we can truly hope for is that this grabs the atention of those important few - lets all make it happen!

(This post is gonna get very long very quickly...)


Introduction


The twinkling of the starry heavens was as a gentile rain that shimmered through the jet stream of a four ship formation: a final formation that was to be the last hope of a desperate world; a nation?s final rage that shot into the heart of a pitch black night seething with evil hordes. With the precision and grace of angels, this single squadron fought against all odds, striking down evil with a thunderous heart. And so, just as the last remaining bow from a hero?s quiver, they carry a heavy message towards the heart of a vile enemy. Energized by outcries of the innocent, and empowered by the eternal memory of fallen patriots, the four fighters pitch the evil warlord deep into the bowels of a dead planet to be consumed by the flames of his own malicious lair. Triumphant, victorious, the four ships turn to face the dawn of a new day. Free from evil, their graceful arcs reveal the emblem emblazoned on their wings: They are Star Fox.

It was the dawn of a new culture. Video games had long captured their player?s imaginations within the arcade, but now in the very homes, the very living rooms of their users, video games soon developed their own aura among the younger generation. Star Fox, since its initial release, has demonstrated itself to be one of the core members of the video game culture. More importantly, many Nintendo fans found and kept Star Fox in a very special place in their hearts.

Just as that special romantic novel, that imaginative cinema movie, and that inspiring orchestra score hold beautiful meanings in the hearts of their viewers and listeners, so too can a sincere video game touch, awe, and inspire a heartfelt player as any other piece of fine culture. Star Fox 2, a Nintendo SNES title that was cancelled in its final stages of development, has become to many such players a ?lost episode? of a classic series that has maintained its initial momentum for over 15 years. During these passing years, entire generations of computer gaming systems have risen, lived, and died, without ever achieving the mark set by classic video game series like Star Fox.

Now more of a legacy icon than a simple game title, Star Fox 2 possesses a ?lost arc? spirit that resonates to wishful players and Nintendo enthusiasts alike as never before. This title is by no means at all a terminated video game project of a past decade. Indeed, it is as a rediscovered Hollywood film, a lost photograph plate of the 19th century, or even a forgotten Beethoven symphony. Star Fox 2, although never actually released, has become as much a part of the Star Fox culture as any other title in the series. Its formal resurrection by Nintendo as museum classic will fulfill a missing piece of not just a video game series, but a piece of cultural art that will make complete an already legendary collection.
 

The Culture of Star Fox


The Star Fox franchise is much more than a science fiction action video game series, it has become, through its players, an icon of the Video game industry. Motion pictures, when first introduced met swift criticism, and were even referred to as the bane of the artistic world?s existence. In the early 20th century, however, the motion picture industry became a recognized contributor to American culture, as classic novels and plays could be communicated in entirely new ways, offering myriads of previously unfathomed means of artistic perception and development. Soon, namely after 1914, the full length motion picture was widely accepted as the premier theater of contemporary art and culture of the modern era.

Video games, with their equally humble beginnings, have brought about the same revolution to the entertainment industry that is only now beginning to be actualized. Players can take command of a story and travel down a path of imagination and adventure, leaving even the barriers of reality behind. Stories, plot twists, and character development all take on a completely new meaning in this new form of engaging theater. Just as renowned cinema masterpieces so craftily employ lighting, sound, and composition to create a living symphony where depth and emotion are carried as a song?s melody, so to are the elements of a sincere video game.

Titles like Star Fox are to the gaming industry as movies such as The Maltese Falcon (1941), The Good, the Bad, & the Ugly (1966) and Citizen Kane (1941) are to Hollywood. Every nuance of every such film has been wrapped into the pages of contemporary cultural history, and Star Fox is no exception. The iconic images of the famous four ship diamond formation streaking the upper atmosphere and keeping a peaceful blue planet safe have permeated the genera, and left a standard that is rarely approached. There are very few who have heard of Nintendo without hearing of Star Fox. A mainstay member of the Nintendo family, the series has thoroughly established itself as a centerpiece among adoring fans. Toys, t-shirts, homemade Arwing models, and even crochet sweaters all celebrate the adventures of the Star Fox team nationwide.

Such a status makes the circumstances that surround Star Fox 2 tragic. While a 15-year-old lost episode can account for a lot of the mystery and intrigue that saturates the title, it ultimately becomes a sorrowful symbol of lost potential. Star Fox 2?s condition as a slightly-incomplete title robs the series of part of its own legacy. What?s worse is that there is no real technological barrier that?s keeping a potentially complete version away from players; in other words, a classic game that is so close to being totally embraced by a huge fan-base is simply sitting idle, aimlessly floating around the internet in its incomplete form.

Nevertheless, our ambition is as potent as our hopes, and as brilliant as our dreams. We truly want to experience the classic Star Fox 2 title the same way we have to so many other Nintendo titles.
 

The Lines of Fantasy and Reality


I couldn?t close my eyes, for I did not want to miss a single moment, a single frame, of this strange, blue and white two-toned craft. Its edges were sharp, yet it possessed the grace of the gentlest dove. Studying its every nuance, my imagination raced to fill in what details were missing; but there was no time to wait! The scramble alarm sounded, and my eyes grew wider as I felt this sudden rush of adrenaline as the thrusters roared and my craft shot out of its place of rest. Before I could even blink, I could already feel the mist of the morning clouds that lingered over the city?s edge. The blue skies streaked passed my line vision as I tried with all of my might to understand why I felt this way; what it was that I couldn?t stop looking at. My aircraft banked into the turns following a perfect path of mathematical precision. As the enemy offensive was pushed back, we climbed into the upper atmosphere, where I gazed upon the starry havens, infinite in their majesty. Constant was the path of our fighters across the sky; constant was their resilience through chaos; constant was their attitude forward; constant was my discovered calling.

Most of the other children couldn?t understand my almost hypnotic stare at the screen; for them it was simply a multitude of shapes, explosions and laser fire. For me it something else entirely; it was the first time I envisioned the sheer beauty behind the physical laws. This simple game was a window through which I saw more order than I knew in real life. My fires of passion were set on that day ? the earth, moon, stars, gravity, magnetism, thrust ? the harmonic symphony of astrophysics was audible to me for the first time, and since I have heard nothing else.

Star Fox; a science-fiction action Nintendo game; inspired me as though it were a renaissance novel. Star Fox was a theater where my imagination preformed freely. Needless to say, I liked that game. Games truly can be as inspiring as a master artist?s painting. The world is replete with experiences of how science fiction fans grew up to design space shuttles: The Ionic Propulsion Engine, developed by NASA engineers, was inspired from an episode of Star Trek; Impressed by Captain Kirk?s handheld computer, a programmer coded the program known as QuickTime. Boeing engineers have even claimed that their designs took the shape of their own childhood fantasies.

Already a source of technical inspiration, the mystical worlds that are imagined and produced into cinema and games are a worthy part of our culture, and Star Fox is no exception. It is not merely a game to fill one?s time; it is a living fantasy that helps bring people together by inviting them to share their ideas and dreams.
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« Reply #58 on: February 22, 2008, 06:26:29 PM »

    Excellent my freind, excellent! There's a few adjustments, but it's a 99.9 definentally. In "The Culture of Starfox" You said "...celebrate the Starfox team nation wide" . We should put "World wide" just to butter it up a bit and to state that's not just North America that's fallen in love the majestic beauty of the Starfox series, but citizens of Europe, Asia, South America, and even in Austrailia as well. (Pig-Kay!). Also the question marks where apostraphes should go, but I think that was just a "copy-and-paste" glitch.

        Also I love the wordy-ness, it shows how big of a fan you really are! If you go 1 or 2 pages over you shold see some of the forum sites where the petition's name has been sung out. And many have answered the call, not just Arwing Landing! This can work, Arwing. You, myself, and Cobalt can bring this to life!

      Also I'd like to thank Nintendo for being so cooperative with their entire fan-base, of any game for that matter. 
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« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2008, 09:51:09 PM »

Wordiness was something I was trying to avoid - however unsuccessfully; all things in moderation, of course.

Cobalt the Editor ... (whoa, that sounded like a Viking or a Transformer name...) Err... anyway, go ahead and slice away. A streamline presentation would likely be the best.

Also, ANYONE who has ideas about structure improvement should jump in and post. The more eyes the better!
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